How Did Stan Lee Pour Himself Into Those Jeans?

As I’ve mentioned before, my son is obsessed with Spider-Man, and I’ve gotten a couple of the Essential volumes to read to him. We just got volume 2, actually, which is fairly entertaining as these things go — not something I want to read all of, but it doesn’t make me want to stab my eyes out the way reading the Lee-Kirby X-Men does, or any of the Justice League stuff from the 30s.

Anyway, I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen the original strips with Mary Jane…and man is she an embarrassment. Stan Lee is always preposterous when he tries to get down with the youth, or when he pretends he’s ever spoken to a woman. Mary Jane, who hits on both of these writing weaknesses, reads like some sort of refugee from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, if, you know, the characters in that movie had their personalities replaced by middle-aged marketing copy-writers, rather than by plants. “C’mon Petey — let your hair down! They’re playing our song!” “Those crazy thread [that’s the Rhino’s costume, folks] break me up!” “It’s a real happening, man!” “It’s Spidey! Oh isn’t he the dreamiest!” “Don’t trip daddy-o! I’ll baffle that baddy with my bralessness while you skidoo!”

All right, I made that last one up. But you get the idea; she’s supposed to be free and spontaneous and exciting, but she sounds like…well, like some middle-aged guys idea of what a blow-up fantasy hippie might be.

It’s not exactly a news flash that Stan Lee’s hand with the female characters is somewhat thumb-fingered. But I couldn’t help thinking as I was reading this about the Mary Jane statue controversy of a year or so back. For those of you who missed it, some guy made a fairly ugly statue showing Mary Jane carrying Peter Parker’s laundry and discovering his Spider-man suit. Various feminist fans of Mary Jane went ape-shit about how icky it was to sexualize this character in this way.

And yes, for those of you who were paying attention, I said “feminist fans of Mary Jane.” Unlike Dirk Deppey, I actually like Andrea Dworkin, and think that the way male sexuality is expressed in this culture actually does have something to do with the oppression of woman (Dirk summons the spectre of gay porn as a refutation of the possibility that sexual desire can have inherently sexist content — as if gay porn somehow transcends gender assumptions about femininity and masculinity, or as if gay men can’t be sexist in ways linked to their own sexuality and desire. Though none of this makes anti-porn laws a good idea — but I digress. Where was I? Oh yeah….) So I’m sympathetic to the argument that the statue’s conflates of sexiness and domesticity is sexist — not horribly sexist, not surprisingly sexist, not the most sexist thing I’ve seen in, say, the last 48 hours, but still — sexist.

But what’s baffling, especially in light of these early Mary Jane comics, is that — you know, Mary Jane was always a sexist caricature. She’s probably more sexist in Stan Lee’s writing, in fact, than she is in the statue. I guess you could argue about whether the subtext of free-wheeling easy lay is more or less sexist than the subtext of fetishized domesticity…in any event, though, you’re not talking about a character who’s an icon of female independence.

So what gives with the outrage? If you’re the sort of person who’s going to find Mary Jane sexist, why weren’t you disillusioned with her a long time ago? I mean, even if some other writers have made her more of an independent woman, there is this history of the character being a preposterous brain-dead male fantasy. Surely, were you a feminist, this might give you pause before you pledged her your undying loyalty.

Of course, virtually everybody who reads mainstream comics has an emotional committment to some character or other who, over the course of their career, is completely emotionally, logically, and morally incoherent. That’s the way corporate properties work. The problem here isn’t that these feminists are hysterical, but that the genre of super-hero comics is. The thing about a corporate property is that it has no core; or, more crassly, no brand consistency. Mary Jane has been used by so many (often indifferent) people for so many (often completely idiotic) purposes, that there’s nothing there anymore.

Dirk excoriated the critics of the statue for their “inflated sense of entitlement.” But why shouldn’t fans expect creators to care at least as much about their creations as the fans do? Of course, in super-hero comics, that’s quite often not the case . The original creators have gone on to other projects long ago; the corporate-owned piece of property that’s left behind gets stomped on and spindled and twisted every which way for the stupidest of reasons, or for none. To fall in love with a character in a mainstream title is to be, inevitably, betrayed. When this happens, there tend to be howls of outrage (“Peter Parker’s not a clone!” “Mary Jane wouldn’t do that!”) which are both justified (the choices being made are, in these cases, almost uniformly lousy) and kind of ridiculous. Of course Mary Jane is treated with off-hand sexist contempt. All of these characters are treated with off-hand contempt. They’re corporate thralls, just like their creators — there to be abused and sneered at. The saddest thing about Mary Jane isn’t that that statue of her was sexist, or that she was sexist to begin with, but that there hasn’t ever been a consistent enough vision of her to make her really sexist, or really not sexist, or really anything. She’s just this hollow shell, beyond defilement and beyond contempt.
*****************

And speaking of pointless defilement and the hold of corporate entities on the infantile imagination — I’m making my first attempts to teach my son to read. He knows a few words (cat, dog, go), but we really made huge strides when I taught him to read “poop.” Suddently we had all sorts of amusing narratives (“Cat poop on bat,” “rat poop on hat.”) Best of all, though, was the first super-hero story he has ever read unaided — “Hulk poop on X-Men”.

0 thoughts on “How Did Stan Lee Pour Himself Into Those Jeans?

  1. 2 things:

    1) Well, feminism is a tricky thing and doesn’t always mean the same thing to the same people. Even at the beginning, Mary Jane was not the “domestic housewife” type…and while she was a sexualized vacuous imbecile (hardly a role model for female empowerment), she did resist certain kinds of female stereotypes that were the ones that many wanted to resist in the 60’s-70’s. She was not the maternal figure, the domestic goddess, or even (in some ways) the background help-meet/helpmate for the masculine hero. She got around a bit, displaying a kind of (non-explicit) sexual freedom…and was never defined by her relationship to home and kitchen. Of course, she was a male’s fantasy of what these “feminist” ideas meant (easier sex with a hot woman!), but given what was available at the time for women’s role models in mainstream comics, she was better (or at least very different) from some other Marvel “stock” characters, like Invisible Girl/Woman and the Wast (who were either put-upon housewife types or stereotypically vain and fashion-driven)…

    I just read some mid-seventies (?) Spidey stories where MJ ditches Harry Osborn because he’s dabbling in drugs…and she’s “groovy” and vacuous and horribly written and obviously a sexual object…but still “feminist” in some ways (making her own way with her acting career, not dependent on a man for her money, etc.)…

    You can see where this stuff came from, anyway…

    2) As for MJ’s and Spidey’s inconsistency over the years…I see your point here, except for the notion that these characters are ONLY corporate properties shamelessly manipulated and put-upon by their writers/artists, who care not a whit about them. Although this is “work-for-hire” and one might expect that attitude from creators towards characters, I think that this is, in fact, rarely the case in the comics themselves. Most Marvel/DC “hacks” do care about the characters, want to keep them somewhat consistent (except insofar as periodic reboots attempt to update them for today’s kids, etc.) and want them to be meaningful, to appeal to readers, etc. They may fail…contradict each other…etc…but your implication that there is a practiced cynicism towards the characters in the creative process is doubtful.

    Most of these creators are fans…and have as much invested in them as the fans do. The powers that be at Time/Warner (and whoever owns Marvel these days) are a different story of course…and who knows where the statue idea came from originally (well, someone does, but not me)…

    Certainly MJ may be an incoherent character over a 45 year period, but there is always (and repeatedly) an effort to get these characters “back to basics”–within limits–which in this case means the Stan Lee Mary Jane (and not domestic goddess/laundry Mary Jane) as the recent “Brand New Day” crapola illustrates…

    The fact that returning to Lee’s MJ may be a bad idea too is another issue!

  2. Those Spidey stories were Amazing #96-98 from 1971…Also available in Marvel Visionaries: Stan Lee… in which Roy Thomas declares Stan a visionary…pretty funny that

  3. I agree that Stan Lee was not very good at writing strong female characters, but I think you are on shaky ground when you state that the character is a hollow shell unworthy of consideration.

    My first point would be that the Mary Jane today is not the Mary Jane of Stan Lee. The modern Mary Jane was at one point independently wealthy and financially supported Peter and Aunt May for years. This alone may be the most striking example of female independence in mainstream comics over the past 20 years.

    Mary Jane is married to someone who is routinely placed in harm’s way. She has personally endured stalkers, kidnappings, and most famously, a miscarriage. Through all of this, the character maintained her identity, sanity, career, and marriage. I’m not an expert on feminism, but for a lot of women and girls, doesn’t this portrayal have some merit?

    Granted, Mary Jane is frequently drawn wearing a bathing suit or tight fitting nightgown. Also, the quality and consistency of Mary Jane’s characterization varies from issue to issue. More often than not it is not very good. That being said, Mary Jane Watson is as deep and well developed as any other mainstream comic book supporting character, male or female.

    Finally, I think your dismissal of corporate comic properties is a bit harsh. I’ll just say that disappointment is not exclusive to fans of corporate properties. How many people are still upset by Star Wars Episode 1, which was written, directed, produced, and financed by George Lucas. How about when Dylan went electric?

    Anyway, I can’t believe I wrote this much about Mary Jane Watson. I’ve spent more time thinking about this character in the past ten minutes than I have in the past thirty years.
    Time for Bryan to poop on bed.